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Shaos
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| | | | Linus Torvalds wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote: > > When I first looked at Git source code two things struck me as odd: > 1. Pure C as opposed to C++. No idea why. Please don't talk about portability, > it's BS.
*YOU* are full of bullshit.
C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do *nothing* but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C.
In other words: the choice of C is the only sane choice. I know Miles Bader jokingly said "to piss you off", but it's actually true. I've come to the conclusion that any programmer that would prefer the project to be in C++ over C is likely a programmer that I really *would* prefer to piss off, so that he doesn't come and screw up any project I'm involved with.
C++ leads to really really bad design choices. You invariably start using the "nice" library features of the language like STL and Boost and other total and utter crap, that may "help" you program, but causes:
- infinite amounts of pain when they don't work (and anybody who tells me that STL and especially Boost are stable and portable is just so full of BS that it's not even funny)
- inefficient abstracted programming models where two years down the road you notice that some abstraction wasn't very efficient, but now all your code depends on all the nice object models around it, and you cannot fix it without rewriting your app.
In other words, the only way to do good, efficient, and system-level and portable C++ ends up to limit yourself to all the things that are basically available in C. And limiting your project to C means that people don't screw that up, and also means that you get a lot of programmers that do actually understand low-level issues and don't screw things up with any idiotic "object model" crap.
So I'm sorry, but for something like git, where efficiency was a primary objective, the "advantages" of C++ is just a huge mistake. The fact that we also piss off people who cannot see that is just a big additional advantage.
If you want a VCS that is written in C++, go play with Monotone. Really. They use a "real database". They use "nice object-oriented libraries". They use "nice C++ abstractions". And quite frankly, as a result of all these design decisions that sound so appealing to some CS people, the end result is a horrible and unmaintainable mess.
But I'm sure you'd like it more than git.
Linus
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30 Sep 2007 19:25 |
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Shaos
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Joined: 08 Jan 2003 23:22 Posts: 22587 Location: Silicon Valley
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Если уже тут вспомнили про Линуса и его отношение к языку Си++, то вытаскиваю из небытия свой старый пост про это
P.S. Интересно, что человек на которого Линус наехал - русский, который в настоящее время работает в Майкрософте
Last edited by Shaos on 15 Apr 2011 13:42, edited 2 times in total.
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14 Apr 2011 18:50 |
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Lavr
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Joined: 21 Oct 2009 08:08 Posts: 7777 Location: Россия
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Если это оригинал - поставил бы ссылку, где это было. А так, с учётом даты -
2007 год - этот текст обнаруживается на многих сайтах, как, впрочем, перевод
и добавления типа:"Линусу Торвальдсу - Наш Ответ".
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15 Apr 2011 05:08 |
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Shaos
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Joined: 08 Jan 2003 23:22 Posts: 22587 Location: Silicon Valley
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оригинал - это список рассылки git, куда ссылку дать невозможно - разве что на архив...
P.S. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.vers ... .git/57918
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15 Apr 2011 06:10 |
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d_wanderer
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Joined: 28 Feb 2006 21:34 Posts: 180
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15 Apr 2011 12:15 |
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Shaos
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Joined: 08 Jan 2003 23:22 Posts: 22587 Location: Silicon Valley
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на правах шутки:
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23 Apr 2011 18:39 |
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HardWareMan
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Joined: 20 Mar 2005 13:41 Posts: 2141 Location: От туда
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Ты ему эту картинку и пошли, лол. Заценит али нет?
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23 Apr 2011 21:51 |
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VituZz
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Joined: 13 Nov 2010 04:06 Posts: 1345
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Сам создатель C++ признал, что в полном объёме этот язык ни один программист освоить не может. А вообще, в своей книге "Искусство программирования для UNIX" Эрик Реймонд достаточно хорошо написал, почему объектно-ориентированное программирование вообще и C++ в частности не имеют такого успеха в UNIX, как в других операционных системах.
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03 Jun 2011 10:05 |
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Lavr
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Joined: 21 Oct 2009 08:08 Posts: 7777 Location: Россия
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А мне казалось, что для Венды объектно-ориентированная концепция не совсем применима.
Да и создатели Венды согласны, что её объекты не совсем полноценны с этой
точки зреня.
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03 Jun 2011 10:26 |
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Lavr
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Joined: 21 Oct 2009 08:08 Posts: 7777 Location: Россия
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Забавную вещь я неожиданно прочитал!
Неужто правда?
_________________ iLavr
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